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Now that that's resolved: The same thing from earlier before it got sidetracked into another debate: King Cold and Mecha Frieza (100% full power) vs Future Trunks. I'm curious to see what people think of this one, since both Mecha Frieza and King Cold were very underutilized. Again, I say the Cold t...

Well, Dodoria and Vegeta were extremely close in power, yet Vegeta effortlessly destroys Dodoria, who couldn't even see his movements. This wouldn't match up with Krillin and Piccolo putting up such a good fight against Nappa, or Nappa being able to slow down Goku, or Vegeta not being insta-squahsed...

Edit: How would Piccolo know how strong was Shin? Vegeta states no one was able to sense his power. And I'm sorry but unless it comes from AT himself, I don't considered the guides canon. Then there's really no point in this conversation if you're just going to say "that doesn't count". T...

He seemingly had no idea how strong any of Babidi's men were, he just assumed that they were very strong because they worked for Babidi. He just advocated taking on Yakon together to be safe. Also, it's not really magic. Magic doesn't care how powerful the target is, while psychic powers do. Kaioshi...

He can't not be stronger than the base Saiyans. He wouldn't have been able to telekinetically hold down SS2 Gohan otherwise, as Chaotzu's telekinesis sets a precedent that if someone is significantly over twice as strong as you (Nappa), the telekinesis won't work. And him being able to pull that off...

Sorry if I've come off that way. I know you're not trying to disprove my interpretation, never suggested otherwise, it's just a pet peeve of mine when people call something they don't agree with "unreliable, ignorant garbage" because it doesn't fit THEIR interpretation, even if it doesn't ...

There are no official battle powers on Coola; V-Jump has literally been proven to contradict itself and proven to be unreliable, ignorant garbage; I'm under the impression that, unless contradicted, any numbers given out by an official publication are canon, rather than what a fan thinks makes sens...

This went the way of the Devilmite Beam: it was taken out because it could end fights instantly.

when Vegeta two-shot Kiwi who was of the same supposed difference with 24,000 Vegeta as 30,000 Vegeta was with a 40,000 Recoome Yeah, you might want to forget about that "fight" along with the fight with Dodoria when thinking about stuff like this. It really messes up and contradicts powe...

Yeah, I'm not buying that Vegeta's supposed skill would make that much of a difference. Definitely not a "I can defeat a guy just as strong as me in under five minutes" difference. I think it would go a lot like the anime version of Goku vs Frieza, except the planet actually explodes in 5 ...

...Goku didn't spare him, he fired a powerful energy blast right at his face, Frieza just survived. And Vegeta, being of near identical power to Frieza according to you, wouldn't even get Frieza into a position of vulnerability like that. Chances are they'd still be fighting as the planet explodes. ...

On a side note, if we assume the circumstances are the same as they were on Namek, Frieza definitely wins, since he blew up that planet. Goku only escaped Namek because he was strong enough to defeat Frieza somewhat quickly, I don't think someone of identical power to Frieza could manage that same f...

Actually, yeah... he'd have a big chance of doing that. It's not that hard when their power levels are nearly identical. But, if that's the number you're going with, I suppose Vegeta would have an overall advantage. It'd be very, very close though. Wasn't there something about Frieza not being able ...

Wait, your Vegeta is at 2.5 million? Meaning 125 million at Super Saiyan? But you said Vegeta would kill Freeza easily. 120 million vs 125 million isn't "win easily" territory, those power levels are near-identical. That's an extremely close fight that can go either way, depending on who g...

It's a one hit kill, and the main weakness is that it's slow to charge and can't be guided... Frieza's version doesn't seem to have either of those flaws... anyway Goku, while he was winning, wasn't winning effortlessly. Frieza got a few good hits on them due to the gap between them only being 20%, ...

Goku clearly wasn't toying with him, but he was handily winning and dodged the disc... I really wonder why no one ever used an attack like that again, it was awesome. Anyway, you're assuming that Vegeta's base was the same as Goku's. Why are you placing him so insanely high? Super Saiyan is only a x...

How about this: if Vegeta actually did become a Super Saiyan on Namek, would he beat Frieza? I say no. One, Vegeta is an idiot who'd let Frieza go to 100%. Two, Vegeta was absolutely stunned by base Goku's power, meaning he can't be close to him. Three, Frieza seems really surprised that Goku surviv...

I was under the impression it was ambiguous. It's really not. The guidebooks say that Cold is only somewhat inferior to Frieza. and Cold fully acknowledged that Frieza was stronger than him. Given that they're supposedly so close in power, he wouldn't have known this unless he saw Frieza's 100% pow...

Very unlikely, to say the least. King Cold knew about Frieza's full power, there's no reason at all Cooler wouldn't. And even if you assume that he didn't know about Frieza's 100% power form, he still said that base Goku > 70% Frieza, meaning Cooler himself is either WAY over 168 million (210 millio...

Is it? I saw no evidence that it was, and in fact Goku's fight against Frieza where Frieza had to go 50% to win heavily implies otherwise. Where are you getting this? I don't think invisible Kaiou-ken theory applies here since they literally show the aura against Coola's Fifth Form. Same thing happe...