Is GT Goku immortal?
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Is GT Goku immortal?
As we all know at the end of Dragonball GT Goku seems to have not aged (grown old), even after 100 years...Where as PAN had became a old women
The rumor at that time was that goku was immortal as he's a part of the eternal dragon, BUT when you think about it , it looks like goku was at a correct age
We know that guardians are mortals. Being a guardians doesn't grant you immortality [OLD KAI , KAMI and other guardians].
Goku was 53 something when he was transformed into a 10 year old. which would make him physically 110 years old(in actuality 163 years old at) the end of GT.
now since saiyans can live longer than humans and Roshi as a human was well over 340 years old. roshi. its possible that every saiyan can live longer than that age.
The only problem still unanswered is about the rate of ageing pan looks like a old bat while goku looks like 30 or 40. My theory is that goku is a pure saiyan hence doesn't age like her. Pan is half human so he would probably age like a human ...just like roshi .
The rumor at that time was that goku was immortal as he's a part of the eternal dragon, BUT when you think about it , it looks like goku was at a correct age
We know that guardians are mortals. Being a guardians doesn't grant you immortality [OLD KAI , KAMI and other guardians].
Goku was 53 something when he was transformed into a 10 year old. which would make him physically 110 years old(in actuality 163 years old at) the end of GT.
now since saiyans can live longer than humans and Roshi as a human was well over 340 years old. roshi. its possible that every saiyan can live longer than that age.
The only problem still unanswered is about the rate of ageing pan looks like a old bat while goku looks like 30 or 40. My theory is that goku is a pure saiyan hence doesn't age like her. Pan is half human so he would probably age like a human ...just like roshi .
Re: Is GT goku immortal?
A lot of people interpret GT's ending as Goku having died since his dōgi is left behind despite him wearing it as he flies off on the Shen Long's back. That, couple with Vegeta's 'cherish that' line would imply he knows Goku's fate too.
If this is true then Goku's aging is largely irrelevant. He's dead, he wouldn't age!
If this is true then Goku's aging is largely irrelevant. He's dead, he wouldn't age!
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
I agree with Ajay. He's probably just dead.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
Nope, Goku isn't immortal, he is dead according to Masako Nozawa.
Masako Nozawa (DBGT: Perfect Files Vol. #2) wrote:The scene where, after Goku finishes fighting, he rides on Shenlong, and says, “Shenlong’s back sure is warm…”. That’s because riding on Shenlong means that Goku’s going to leave this world, and go to the world of the gods…. I was glad that they didn’t write it plainly that he died, though…. I feel that Goku probably went to Shenlong’s place, and is training again.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
If he was dead then where is his halo? I believe Goku absorb the Dragon Balls so that he can help purify them and it could take a century for them to restore back normal.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
Well, maybe that means that he died but is not explicit at all and because of that, we do not really know for sure (that was the intention). We also have to note that Dragon Balls are fused with Goku now and maybe after that, he gain eternal life. Kakarotto goes to the World of the Gods being dead? I don't think so. Besides, Goku has no halo ( please don't come with things like GT logic or something like that ).DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Nope, Goku isn't immortal, he is dead according to Masako Nozawa.
Masako Nozawa (DBGT: Perfect Files Vol. #2) wrote:The scene where, after Goku finishes fighting, he rides on Shenlong, and says, “Shenlong’s back sure is warm…”. That’s because riding on Shenlong means that Goku’s going to leave this world, and go to the world of the gods…. I was glad that they didn’t write it plainly that he died, though…. I feel that Goku probably went to Shenlong’s place, and is training again.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
Exactly if goku was dead non of that will make sense, If goku was a ghost/sprit when he destroyed Omega Shenron , Then what happened to Gokus body? Goku isn't a Namekian for his dead body to vanish in thin air at death.MDSTSSJ wrote: Well, maybe that means that he died but is not explicit at all and because of that, we do not really know for sure (that was the intention). We also have to note that Dragon Balls are fused with Goku now and maybe after that, he gain eternal life. Kakarotto goes to the World of the Gods being dead? I don't think so. Besides, Goku has no halo ( please don't come with things like GT logic or something like that ).
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
How does Masako Nozawa saying Goku went to the world of the gods mean he is death? lol . specailly when he allready went to the world of the gods in living form. more like Goku has the life expectancy of the elder kai or the enternal dragon or simply there is no difference between a death person and a living person in GT since they can physically fight each other. Goku also was sparring with krillin etc before he left. so wouldn't call it GT logic but more Toei logic or either way ghost can appear in the living world as proven in the manga don't know whether they can travel between living world other world in their physical form within the manga.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
His body vanished when he died in the Saiyan Arc, because he was allowed to keep it. I don't see why the same can't apply to what happened at the end of GT.flashback0180 wrote:Exactly if goku was dead non of that will make sense, If goku was a ghost/sprit when he destroyed Omega Shenron , Then what happened to Gokus body? Goku isn't a Namekian for his dead body to vanish in thin air at death.MDSTSSJ wrote: Well, maybe that means that he died but is not explicit at all and because of that, we do not really know for sure (that was the intention). We also have to note that Dragon Balls are fused with Goku now and maybe after that, he gain eternal life. Kakarotto goes to the World of the Gods being dead? I don't think so. Besides, Goku has no halo ( please don't come with things like GT logic or something like that ).
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
IMO, what happens in Toyble's DBAF fits perfectly:MDSTSSJ wrote:Well, maybe that means that he died but is not explicit at all and because of that, we do not really know for sure (that was the intention).
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So, by the very end of GT, Goku is dead, and can't visit Earth physically.
Goku has gone to godly worlds when he was dead (Kaio's Planet, Dai Kaio's Planet, Kaioshin Realm), so him being dead shouldn't stop him from going to godly worlds.We also have to note that Dragon Balls are fused with Goku now and maybe after that, he gain eternal life. Kakarotto goes to the World of the Gods being dead? I don't think so.
She said that they didn't "plainly killed him", meaning that they did kill him, but in a more mystical way (as we saw). Besides, it was also implied by Vegeta, Kame-sennin, and Piccolo that he was dead.Friezacooler wrote:How does Masako Nozawa saying Goku went to the world of the gods mean he is death? lol .
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
I was glad that they didn’t write it plainly that he died = implies they didn't leave the implication (statement)he died at all in the show. The Saiyan saga situation is different, cause that one shows Goku was with kami sama in physical form+halo' and piccolo confirmed kami picked him up. In GT no such implications were made, and Goku don't have a halo at all so nahh not death all. aka nothing like the saiyan saga but more or less toei logic, unless manga shows them being capable of travelling within living world and other world in physical form.
Re: Is GT goku immortal?
I've never thought that Goku was "dead" at the end of GT (not in the normal sense, anyway, thus the lack of the halo), but I'm not entirely convinced he was actually alive/there/in the flesh, either. I felt like he was more of a mysterious presence or astral projection or something.
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I always believe Goku was put in a coma and he made a deal with Shenron via telepathically. Shenron will restore his heath back to normal if he can help purify the Dragon Balls back to normal. Goku's good-hearted body would be good enough to make the Dragon Balls back to normal.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
It's kind of sad that the intentionally confusing and ambiguous ending is one of the most interesting things about the GT, and whilst intended as a definitive conclusion, whets the appetite for expansion upon more than anything else in the series managed to.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
That's how I always thought of it. When Goku fused with the Dragon Balls, he basically became a new Shenron (along with his pure heart purifying the Dragon Balls after they were corrupted
Re: Is GT goku immortal?
Dragon Ball GT is called GT for a reason stands for "Goku Time" so if the writers made him immortal i would not be suprised. GT is a just a crappy Goku fanboy fanfic
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^ and that is the definition of a lame comment.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
The original Dragon Ball isn't much different in this subject if you think about it.Vegeta12 wrote:Dragon Ball GT is called GT for a reason stands for "Goku Time" so if the writers made him immortal i would not be suprised. GT is a just a crappy Goku fanboy fanfic
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Is GT goku immortal?
Well there is one simple logic that will prove that goku wasn't dead..
Dead people don't age as we have seen in z dead spirits in the other world training 100-1000 years in their exact body that they died with.
Goku was physically a 10 year old when he died and hence should still be 10 when he came back to earth 100 years later.
No goku would not get his adult body in the afterlife . If we use that logic , Goku should get back his cut off tail each time he died.
Dead people don't age as we have seen in z dead spirits in the other world training 100-1000 years in their exact body that they died with.
Goku was physically a 10 year old when he died and hence should still be 10 when he came back to earth 100 years later.
No goku would not get his adult body in the afterlife . If we use that logic , Goku should get back his cut off tail each time he died.
Re: Is GT goku immortal?
In my view - Goku, having unknowingly absorb the Dragon Balls within his body, became Shenlong. At the end of DBGT, Shenlong states that the Dragon Balls will not work for a "long time". However, we could see them (and Goku in someway) back in their original state during the 100 year time-skip in Goku Jr.'s time. Just as DBZGTKOSDH, I too am fond of the way Goku's fate turns out in Toyble's AF manga, just not in the part he was referring to. I am fond of the idea of Goku being placed in the "Dragon Realm" and cannot return to Earth unless he is wished upon. If this is what truly happened, then at the end of GT - I can infer that Goku was given one last trip back to his home planet to see the battle between the new generations to ensure that Earth was left in good hands. This is why once Goku Jr. & Vegeta Jr. commenced their battle, Goku was pleased and fled the scene once he witnessed how strong they've become. As for his grave at the beginning of the "Hero's Legacy" film - I can infer that his grave is just a memorial considering how he fled with Shenlong 100 years back.