I agree with you that Goku is not a bad father compared to Vegeta but why bring up Vegeta in the past either? The whole point is Vegeta has changed into a better person Who now loves his family.Brettjr25 wrote:I have no stake in this argument but you really shouldn't cherry pick like this. You bring up everything bad about Goku in Z but ignore everything from Vegeta? If we're judging Goku and Vegeta now from their past actions you can't ignore that Vegeta was a rampant murderer, gave zero shits about Bulma and Trunks, which showed when was going to let both of them die in an explosion, pissing off his Future son, assaulted Future Trunks, hit his son out of anger after he managed to land a blow on him, and never held Trunks once in his entire life until he decided to bid the world farewell.dnavenom wrote:You know Goku has two sons right? Remind me where was he when they grew up? Let me give you some hints:
A) dead - having fun in the afterlife
B) on another planet - learning new techniques
C)working the field while secretly training
Was Gohan a better fighter, wile he was parented by Piccolo? Yes. Did his life in the city without a male parent made him a lazy bastard (I`m Gohan fan!) Yes. Goku trained Gohan for 1 year and he surpassed all Z warriors (Cell saga). Goku didn`t want to get resurrected after that, he decided to stay dead and have fun. Gohan lost his example and you know what became of him later. Is Goku a bad Father? Most likely so. Is Goku a bad husband? Yes. What is Goku`s motivation? Fighting. DB>DBZ>DBS no development! Same character forever. If you are not bored by this, I dunno what to say to you.
Goku made Gohan leader of the U7 team. We all knew Goku was the real leader. When did he leave Gohan decide what the team should do? Never. Did he try to help his son get some authority? He was the first to " go fight strong opponents" on his own.
Was Vegeta bad with future Trunks in the HBTChamber? He was. Was he ever bad with small Trunks? No. Did he kiss his wife ? Yes. That`s pretty important, otherwise the wife becomes like Chichi! Did he admit Goku was better in the end of Z? He did. Did he give up? He didn`t. Is he a better father and husband than Goku? Of course. Goten didn`t even know his father for some time.
What makes a human, human? Responsibilities, sacrifices, enduring the sometimes boring everyday life, family, goals, trying to better yourself wile doing everything else. Goku is a good fighter, but he`s bad in everything else that makes a human, human. Vegeta, Piccolo far better humans than him and way better characters.
Sorry but I'd take Goku over that.
Also Vegeta did not hit Trunks out of anger when he hit him. It was a reflex because he was surprised when Trunks hit him. It happened very quickly and he doesn’t show any signs of anger. And when Trunks cries he promises to take him to the park. Otherwise everything you said about Vegeta is absolutely true. But then again I don’t think we should hold things against Vegeta for how he was In the past when he clearly grew into a better person which is the point of his character.
Also I think that is why we get way more moments of Vegeta caring for his family now. It’s not that Vegeta cares more about his family than Goku. Of course Goku loves his family and there are tons of moments throughout Z and even Super (I love the scene of Goku & Pan on the rooftop especially) that show Goku loves his family. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn’t paying attention.
But when we see scenes of how Vegeta loves his family it’s also character development because we see how much he has changed. Of course I don’t need those moments to know Vegeta loves them (just like I don’t need moments for Goku, Gohan, And Kuririn ) but they make me happy all the same to see how far Vegeta has come.
Anyways The Who is a better father Goku or Vegeta is pointless. Why does one of them have to be a better father? I don’t think either are perfect but both love their families and their families love them. End of story.