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I prefer the Japanese cut of the Buu arc to the Final Chapters. In terms of music placement, it goes back and forth for me, but I think the Japanese cut slightly edges it out. I prefer the Japanese opening and ending themes tbh. Kuu Zen Zetsu Go is great. And, while I know a lot of people say the Final Chapters flow better in terms of episodes, I honestly think the Japanese cut fits more to the previous half of Kai more. It's more of a continuation to the previous half than the Final Chapters.
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I prefer the Buu arc to the Cell arc.
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As of now the opposite of this is the unpopular opinion8000 Saiyan wrote:I prefer the Buu arc to the Cell arc.
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While the Kai 1.0 restoration is overall superior to the Kai 2.0 restoration, there are a couple aspects where the latter is better. Mainly the actual capture process, as IIRC Kai 2.0 doesn't have moments where either dust is visible (especially in black areas) or some areas in the film are lit differently (don't know how to explain it).
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I agree with this. I liked Cell as a kid, but in retrospect he's a very generic villain especially when compared to Freeza, Baby and Zamasu. Granted Super Buu was like that, but at least with Kid Buu a villain who is an idiot and knows no better beats one that is evil for the sake of being evil. I also liked the unpredictability of the later Buu arc even if it was a fortunate mistake on Toriyama's part for writing the way he does.8000 Saiyan wrote:I prefer the Buu arc to the Cell arc.
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Was that even a problem with later Kai 1.0? I don't think I've ever really noticed those artifacts after Kai's Saiyan Arc.Danfun64 wrote:While the Kai 1.0 restoration is overall superior to the Kai 2.0 restoration, there are a couple aspects where the latter is better. Mainly the actual capture process, as IIRC Kai 2.0 doesn't have moments where either dust is visible (especially in black areas) or some areas in the film are lit differently (don't know how to explain it).
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I noticed some dust in some of the Goku and Gohan training scenes, especially with Gohan's hair.
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Buu is my favorite arc. There's so many great things to it like Sj3 Goku, Majin Vegeta, Mystic Gohan, Buu, MR. Satan, etc. It also had a great cobination of action, comedy and seriousness (is that even a word ?) it was a great way to end the original story.8000 Saiyan wrote:I prefer the Buu arc to the Cell arc.
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I prefer the Cell arc to the Boo arc
Also, Vegeta being portrayed as he was here in the Artificial Human/Cell arc works for me. Arc start--->Arc finish: Believable character arc
I prefer the Cell arc to the Boo arc
Also, Vegeta being portrayed as he was here in the Artificial Human/Cell arc works for me. Arc start--->Arc finish: Believable character arc
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>Calls Cell genericDragon Ball Ireland wrote:I agree with this. I liked Cell as a kid, but in retrospect he's a very generic villain especially when compared to Freeza, Baby and Zamasu. Granted Super Buu was like that, but at least with Kid Buu a villain who is an idiot and knows no better beats one that is evil for the sake of being evil. I also liked the unpredictability of the later Buu arc even if it was a fortunate mistake on Toriyama's part for writing the way he does.8000 Saiyan wrote:I prefer the Buu arc to the Cell arc.
>Praises Baby and Zamasu who are way more generic than Cell
Dunno how to feel about this...
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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How is Zamasu more generic than Cell?DBZAOTA482 wrote:>Calls Cell genericDragon Ball Ireland wrote:I agree with this. I liked Cell as a kid, but in retrospect he's a very generic villain especially when compared to Freeza, Baby and Zamasu. Granted Super Buu was like that, but at least with Kid Buu a villain who is an idiot and knows no better beats one that is evil for the sake of being evil. I also liked the unpredictability of the later Buu arc even if it was a fortunate mistake on Toriyama's part for writing the way he does.8000 Saiyan wrote:I prefer the Buu arc to the Cell arc.
>Praises Baby and Zamasu who are way more generic than Cell
Dunno how to feel about this...
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He's the typical "God Complex" villain who's been in like a billion of other anime... the only really good thing about him is Goku Black. A villain like Cell on the other is unique especially among the series.Doctor. wrote:How is Zamasu more generic than Cell?
He's the mix-pot of the greatest fighters and as result, he displays several of their personality traits such as Goku's calm demeanor, Piccolo's cunningness, Vegeta's ego, Freeza's faux-politeness and cold unfeeling heart, and the Saiyan's lust for a good fight.
He also had no desire for world conquest or anything material like that, he simply wanted ultimate power and sought out greater purpose once he achieves it.
He truly is the perfect fighting machine.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Yes, and he's done differently in the sense that the series actively mocks his God complex instead of indulging his batshit insane ideology and trying to give it some kind of merit. That makes him unique already.DBZAOTA482 wrote:He's the typical "God Complex" villain who's been in like a billion of other anime...
Are you saying chimera villains created to be the strongest were never done before?DBZAOTA482 wrote:A villain like Cell on the other is unique especially among the series.
Also, "among the series", a villain with a God complex was never done in Dragon Ball either.
So he has nothing of his own?DBZAOTA482 wrote:He's the mix-pot of the greatest fighters and as result, he displays several of their personality traits such as Goku's calm demeanor, Piccolo's cunningness, Vegeta's ego, Freeza's faux-politeness and cold unfeeling heart, and the Saiyan's lust for a good fight.
And this is one of the few things that made him genuinely interesting. Too bad the series never bothered to dwell more on his psyche after he achieves his perfect form. Instead, he rages out the moment he starts getting beaten and becomes yet another generic villain with yet another generic mental breakdown.DBZAOTA482 wrote:He also had no desire for world conquest or anything material like that, he simply wanted ultimate power and sought out greater purpose once he achieves it.
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I'd actually say that Perfect Cell was at his most fascinating when he completely broke down against Gohan.Doctor. wrote: And this is one of the few things that made him genuinely interesting. Too bad the series never bothered to dwell more on his psyche after he achieves his perfect form. Instead, he rages out the moment he starts getting beaten and becomes yet another generic villain with yet another generic mental breakdown.
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Why? I can't think of anything that sets him apart from Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, Boo or Zamasu when they did the exact same thing.Gog wrote:I'd actually say that Perfect Cell was at his most fascinating when he completely broke down against Gohan.
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Because simply put it was the most interesting aspect to happen to his Perfect Form. I would have preferred if that was made a greater part of his character. Instead of being a smug psychopath hell bent on destroying everything, and having a good time. Maybe he would be obsessed with being better than everyone else. Making the Cell Games to prove his superiority.Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Why? I can't think of anything that sets him apart from Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, Boo or Zamasu when they did the exact same thing.Gog wrote:I'd actually say that Perfect Cell was at his most fascinating when he completely broke down against Gohan.
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I'd even go as far as to say Cell's is the least interesting because the Gohan-Cell character dynamic isn't as interesting and as developed as the one the other villains had with the hero they were facing.Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Why? I can't think of anything that sets him apart from Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, Boo or Zamasu when they did the exact same thing.Gog wrote:I'd actually say that Perfect Cell was at his most fascinating when he completely broke down against Gohan.
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Both ideas for Cell and Zamasu as villains can seem cliché, but it's good execution that makes both villains work. I suppose one could argue that the Cell character has been around longer and probably inspired chimera monsters, but I'll wager someone will point to an older version of Cell in some other story.
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Zamasu was unlike any other villain in Dragon Ball. We've never seen a Supreme Kai go down the tragic villain route, it was a welcome addition to the God mythology in Dragon Ball.DBZAOTA482 wrote:He's the typical "God Complex" villain who's been in like a billion of other anime... the only really good thing about him is Goku Black. A villain like Cell on the other is unique especially among the series.Doctor. wrote:How is Zamasu more generic than Cell?
He's the mix-pot of the greatest fighters and as result, he displays several of their personality traits such as Goku's calm demeanor, Piccolo's cunningness, Vegeta's ego, Freeza's faux-politeness and cold unfeeling heart, and the Saiyan's lust for a good fight.
He also had no desire for world conquest or anything material like that, he simply wanted ultimate power and sought out greater purpose once he achieves it.
He truly is the perfect fighting machine.
Recycling the key traits of all the main characters doesn't make a villain unique, especially when their central purpose is the standard shonen archetype (i.e. striving to become stronger).
I'm not saying Cell was a bad villain because he wasn't, he's just lacking in the motivational factor that I find elevates villains like Freeza, Baby and Zamasu and brings that little bit more depth to why they are the way they are. Granted Cell is an android so he is limited to how he is programmed, but you can also argue that artificial creations are a dime a dozen in not only anime, but also in action and animated shows in general.
Still, Cell has the best design of any Dragon Ball villain.
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I wish that were an excuse, but Cell himself seems to suggest that he'd evolved past his original programming after reaching his perfect state. He's uninteresting in spite of having every opportunity not to be.Dragon Ball Ireland wrote:Granted Cell is an android so he is limited to how he is programmed...
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