"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[MyNiggaGoku]

I doubt half of what was in the anime will be there. We’ve already seen Beerus use the move without thinking technique in the manga and it doesn’t grant him a new form or aura, it’s a legitimate mastery of the technique and I think the manga will follow suit with it being less special and ordinary and people will complain that the manga is boring.

Exactly.The manga will probably treat this whole thing as a technique,as seen by the usage from Beerus.I will gladly take that,since I think that no new forms are needed for Goku and Vegeta,since they can strategically use SS,SSG and SSB,depending on the opponent.

I think it's time for the heroes to improve their movesets and techniques instead of getting new forms.Goku's Hakai and Vegeta's Gamma Burst Flash were some interesting concepts regarding the matter,and this whole mastery of movement will be a welcome addition as well.

[TheMikado]

I doubt half of what was in the anime will be there. We’ve already seen Beerus use the move without thinking technique in the manga and it doesn’t grant him a new form or aura, it’s a legitimate mastery of the technique and I think the manga will follow suit with it being less special and ordinary and people will complain that the manga is boring.

Exactly.The manga will probably treat this whole thing as a technique,as seen by the usage from Beerus.I will gladly take that,since I think that no new forms are needed for Goku and Vegeta,since they can strategically use SS,SSG and SSB,depending on the opponent.

I think it's time for the heroes to improve their movesets and techniques instead of getting new forms.Goku's Hakai and Vegeta's Gamma Burst Flash were some interesting concepts regarding the matter,and this whole mastery of movement will be a welcome addition as well.

I'm actually hoping the manga is more grounded in technique using Kuzushi

Kuzushi (the art of breaking balance) is also used in jujutsu, where the opponent's attack is deflected using their momentum against them in order to arrest their movements then throw them or pin them with a technique— thus controlling the opponent.

It's going to make a ton more sense if Goku is able to beat Jiren but using Jiren's own power against him and would give Goku a purely defensive technique.
I was actually hoping the "Move without thinking" would generate fights closer to "IP Man"

This is how I feel Goku's new technique should have played out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y04SKwZNjME

[MyNiggaGoku]

I doubt half of what was in the anime will be there. We’ve already seen Beerus use the move without thinking technique in the manga and it doesn’t grant him a new form or aura, it’s a legitimate mastery of the technique and I think the manga will follow suit with it being less special and ordinary and people will complain that the manga is boring.

Exactly.The manga will probably treat this whole thing as a technique,as seen by the usage from Beerus.I will gladly take that,since I think that no new forms are needed for Goku and Vegeta,since they can strategically use SS,SSG and SSB,depending on the opponent.

I think it's time for the heroes to improve their movesets and techniques instead of getting new forms.Goku's Hakai and Vegeta's Gamma Burst Flash were some interesting concepts regarding the matter,and this whole mastery of movement will be a welcome addition as well.

I'm actually hoping the manga is more grounded in technique using Kuzushi

Kuzushi (the art of breaking balance) is also used in jujutsu, where the opponent's attack is deflected using their momentum against them in order to arrest their movements then throw them or pin them with a technique— thus controlling the opponent.

It's going to make a ton more sense if Goku is able to beat Jiren but using Jiren's own power against him and would give Goku a purely defensive technique.
I was actually hoping the "Move without thinking" would generate fights closer to "IP Man"

This is how I feel Goku's new technique should have played out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y04SKwZNjME

Wow,a very interesting thought indeed.It would be very refreshing to give a main hero some kind of special defensive ability and this can turn out to be just that.

Also,this technique can be used as a counterattacking move just like you said.Goku can take Jiren's own power and turn it against it.That way Goku can beat a GoD level fighter without actually surpassing that level.This will let Goku and Vegeta keep evolving in order to reach their ultimate goal:surpass Beerus.

Man,I totally dig that

[The gr]

Exactly.The manga will probably treat this whole thing as a technique,as seen by the usage from Beerus.I will gladly take that,since I think that no new forms are needed for Goku and Vegeta,since they can strategically use SS,SSG and SSB,depending on the opponent.

I think it's time for the heroes to improve their movesets and techniques instead of getting new forms.Goku's Hakai and Vegeta's Gamma Burst Flash were some interesting concepts regarding the matter,and this whole mastery of movement will be a welcome addition as well.

I'm actually hoping the manga is more grounded in technique using Kuzushi

Kuzushi (the art of breaking balance) is also used in jujutsu, where the opponent's attack is deflected using their momentum against them in order to arrest their movements then throw them or pin them with a technique— thus controlling the opponent.

It's going to make a ton more sense if Goku is able to beat Jiren but using Jiren's own power against him and would give Goku a purely defensive technique.
I was actually hoping the "Move without thinking" would generate fights closer to "IP Man"

This is how I feel Goku's new technique should have played out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y04SKwZNjME

Wow,a very interesting thought indeed.It would be very refreshing to give a main hero some kind of special defensive ability and this can turn out to be just that.

Also,this technique can be used as a counterattacking move just like you said.Goku can take Jiren's own power and turn it against it.That way Goku can beat a GoD level fighter without actually surpassing that level.This will let Goku and Vegeta keep evolving in order to reach their ultimate goal:surpass Beerus.

Man,I totally dig that

Me too,i would loved this,of course the people will call the manga boring if they do this

[LightBing]

It's pretty obvious from this start that Toyotarõ is going to build up "Ultra Instinct" steadily.

He has Whis saying that once Vegeta masters moving without thinking he can take on anyone. Beerus uses it during the exhibition match with Goku observing. I bet we''ll get glimpses of it throughout the ToP with Goku against other people, like with Trunks in the previous arc and his healing ability which was foreshadowed a few times.

Weirdly I didn't saw people speculating who will win the exhibition match. Make your bets! My bet is Rumoosh, being a Pink humanoid elephant gives you street cred.

[dbzfan7]

Weirdly I didn't saw people speculating who will win the exhibition match. Make your bets! My bet is Rumoosh, being a Pink humanoid elephant gives you street cred.

Liquiir because I want him to win really really badly .

[Lord Beerus]

Weirdly I didn't saw people speculating who will win the exhibition match. Make your bets! My bet is Rumoosh, being a Pink humanoid elephant gives you street cred.

My money is on Beerus for... obvious reasons.

[Kanassa]

Weirdly I didn't saw people speculating who will win the exhibition match. Make your bets! My bet is Rumoosh, being a Pink humanoid elephant gives you street cred.

Outside of the four universes that won't be participating in the tournament; Belmound, to start building up Universe 11 before the Toppo V Goku fight.

[Doctor.]

It's pretty obvious from this start that Toyotarõ is going to build up "Ultra Instinct" steadily.

He has Whis saying that once Vegeta masters moving without thinking he can take on anyone. Beerus uses it during the exhibition match with Goku observing. I bet we''ll get glimpses of it throughout the ToP with Goku against other people, like with Trunks in the previous arc and his healing ability which was foreshadowed a few times.

Weirdly I didn't saw people speculating who will win the exhibition match. Make your bets! My bet is Rumoosh, being a Pink humanoid elephant gives you street cred.

Belmod seems like a safe bet considering U11 is the antagonist.

[TheOne]

The more breaks, the better. By the time the next main arc comes, we should be having constant good art/animation every episode.

Sentiment like this never ceases to amuse me. We're already over 100 episodes in, and people are still holding out hope for some eventual quality consistency that, even if it does come, will be arriving way too late to meet reasonable expectations.

And? This arc is already very consistent. It's never too late to see an even better change. Comments like these are the ones that amuse me. Try to be positive for once...

Z didn't get better animation until the Buu Saga.

It wasn't bad in Cell saga or android, but I did notice things improved.

[The gr]

Weirdly I didn't saw people speculating who will win the exhibition match. Make your bets! My bet is Rumoosh, being a Pink humanoid elephant gives you street cred.

My bet is on vermoud,he is going to win this with his douche bag personality

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I doubt half of what was in the anime will be there. We’ve already seen Beerus use the move without thinking technique in the manga and it doesn’t grant him a new form or aura, it’s a legitimate mastery of the technique and I think the manga will follow suit with it being less special and ordinary and people will complain that the manga is boring.

Goku didn't just awaken the technique, he also became massively stronger, stronger than Kaio-ken x20 Super Saiyan Blue combined with the Genki Dama he made. The new form he awakened also gave him natural mastery of Ultra Instict.

[TheMikado]

I doubt half of what was in the anime will be there. We’ve already seen Beerus use the move without thinking technique in the manga and it doesn’t grant him a new form or aura, it’s a legitimate mastery of the technique and I think the manga will follow suit with it being less special and ordinary and people will complain that the manga is boring.

Goku didn't just awaken the technique, he also became massively stronger, stronger than Kaio-ken x20 Super Saiyan Blue combined with the Genki Dama he made. The new form he awakened also gave him natural mastery of Ultra Instict.

That's not at all what I'm understanding. It says it just awakened his mastery of move without thinking. Not that he absorbed the power of the Spirit Bomb. Nothing is said that he's any stronger than before and the only way we know this is because hes able to tank Toppo and fight Jiren.

[Lord Frieza]

Weirdly I didn't saw people speculating who will win the exhibition match. Make your bets! My bet is Rumoosh, being a Pink humanoid elephant gives you street cred.

Go Lord Belmod!!!!!

[Analytical Delusion]

I doubt half of what was in the anime will be there. We’ve already seen Beerus use the move without thinking technique in the manga and it doesn’t grant him a new form or aura, it’s a legitimate mastery of the technique and I think the manga will follow suit with it being less special and ordinary and people will complain that the manga is boring.

Goku didn't just awaken the technique, he also became massively stronger, stronger than Kaio-ken x20 Super Saiyan Blue combined with the Genki Dama he made. The new form he awakened also gave him natural mastery of Ultra Instict.

That's not at all what I'm understanding. It says it just awakened his mastery of move without thinking. Not that he absorbed the power of the Spirit Bomb. Nothing is said that he's any stronger than before and the only way we know this is because hes able to tank Toppo and fight Jiren.

Agreed. From Herms' synopsis:

Whis explains that Goku is indeed using the Genki-Dama’s energy as a temporary power source for his exhausted body, but the key factor is something else. Namely, struggling to overcome the Genki-Dama’s explosion as its power entered into him triggered Goku to crack through the shell of further possibilities hidden inside himself…or at least, that is what Whis thinks.

I think Whis is being used as the narrator in this scene, so no reason for me to doubt what he says. It still is somewhat unclear, but it seems that he absorbed some energy to provide stamina (independent of achieving the form - and it ran out, which is why he's now hiding). The form wasn't unlocked from absorbing the Genki Dama, but because it inflicted so much damage on him.

[Marlowe89]

As others have mentioned, the "Mastery of Self-Movement" technique is given much stronger foreshadowing in the manga than in the anime, particularly when observing the arc as a self-contained story. Having the Gods of Destruction participate in the exhibition match instead of Universe 7 and 9 also helps push this whole concept further and provide some much needed build-up for when the new form is finally unveiled.

I don't know, it just seems like the manga is off to a tremendously better start so far than the anime for this arc in particular.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I doubt half of what was in the anime will be there. We’ve already seen Beerus use the move without thinking technique in the manga and it doesn’t grant him a new form or aura, it’s a legitimate mastery of the technique and I think the manga will follow suit with it being less special and ordinary and people will complain that the manga is boring.

Goku didn't just awaken the technique, he also became massively stronger, stronger than Kaio-ken x20 Super Saiyan Blue combined with the Genki Dama he made. The new form he awakened also gave him natural mastery of Ultra Instict.

That's not at all what I'm understanding. It says it just awakened his mastery of move without thinking. Not that he absorbed the power of the Spirit Bomb. Nothing is said that he's any stronger than before and the only way we know this is because hes able to tank Toppo and fight Jiren.

It was literally said that the Genki Dama restored his lost power, and the clash of his own power with the Genki Dama's power awakened even more dormant power. He didn't just gain faster reflexes, he also became stronger & closed the gap between him and Jiren.

[TheMikado]

Goku didn't just awaken the technique, he also became massively stronger, stronger than Kaio-ken x20 Super Saiyan Blue combined with the Genki Dama he made. The new form he awakened also gave him natural mastery of Ultra Instict.

That's not at all what I'm understanding. It says it just awakened his mastery of move without thinking. Not that he absorbed the power of the Spirit Bomb. Nothing is said that he's any stronger than before and the only way we know this is because hes able to tank Toppo and fight Jiren.

It was literally said that the Genki Dama restored his lost power, and the clash of his own power with the Genki Dama's power awakened even more dormant power. He didn't just gain faster reflexes, he also became stronger & closed the gap between him and Jiren.

No one said anything like that. We know exactly what moving without thinking consisted of when Whis first started talking about it. Now it seems to have been redefined into some kind of potential unlock in order to make Goku as “powerful” as Jiren. It’s been redefined as something else without them stating as such entirely for plot convenience.

[Doctor.]

As others have mentioned, the "Mastery of Self-Movement" technique is given much stronger foreshadowing in the manga than in the anime, particularly when observing the arc as a self-contained story. Having the Gods of Destruction participate in the exhibition match instead of Universe 7 and 9 also helps push this whole concept further and provide some much needed build-up for when the new form is finally unveiled.

I don't know, it just seems like the manga is off to a tremendously better start so far than the anime for this arc in particular.

I thought Jiren's introductory scene in the anime was there to foreshadow the technique. Jiren probably has it too, considering how strong he is and how he moves.

[Lord Beerus]

As others have mentioned, the "Mastery of Self-Movement" technique is given much stronger foreshadowing in the manga than in the anime, particularly when observing the arc as a self-contained story. Having the Gods of Destruction participate in the exhibition match instead of Universe 7 and 9 also helps push this whole concept further and provide some much needed build-up for when the new form is finally unveiled.

I don't know, it just seems like the manga is off to a tremendously better start so far than the anime for this arc in particular.

I thought Jiren's introductory scene in the anime was there to foreshadow the technique. Jiren probably has it too, considering how strong he is and how he moves.

Wasn't the whole "moving without thinking" shtick mentioned as far back as the ROF arc in the Super anime?