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by Mewzard » Tue May 06, 2014 11:38 pm
Basaku wrote:Mewzard wrote:
Also, outside of the uncertainty of DB Online and EoB
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given how contradictory movie and regular episode events tend to be, that's up to the individual I suppose.
That's the point. On one side you're trying to portray it how everything is clear and then admit yourself how contradictory a lot of recent stuff is and how some of it really is up in the air regarding its canonical status, like DB Online which is a VERY significant material lore-wise.
Toei's material is always contradictory.Toei comes up with something original, then the source material tends to come up with something that counters it. The movies can rarely ever fit cleanly in a timeline, for instance.
I wouldn't really count Episode of Bardock. DB Online is only iffy because DB Online is straight up dead, and Toriyama hasn't said anything on if it still counts (did it ever count? Or was it just fun future ideas? It was pre BoG, so that complicates things).
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by Zephyr » Wed May 07, 2014 12:07 am
Mewzard wrote:I wouldn't really count Episode of Bardock. DB Online is only iffy because DB Online is straight up dead, and Toriyama hasn't said anything on if it still counts (did it ever count? Or was it just fun future ideas? It was pre BoG, so that complicates things).
Dragon Ball Online stopped seeming like it mattered when Toriyama mentioned how boring of a future Tenshinhan, Chaozu, and Yamcha had in an interview, as opposed to them actively fighting off the remnants of Freeza's army when they attacked, and Ten later forming his own martial arts school in DBO.
Plus, DBO adhered to the whole "Goku sent to Earth as a naked baby" continuity, which Toriyama just recently disregarded via Minus.
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by Insertclevername » Wed May 07, 2014 12:13 am
Man, Dragon Ball Online was so awesome...
Remember when that was the manga continuity and everything wasn't revolving around Beerus? It's shame to see all that work put into that timeline be scrapped for something that's, at least I feel, is inferior.
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by Kingdom Heartless » Wed May 07, 2014 5:55 am
Jackal puFF wrote:That's pretty cool for Satan to survive a cyborg TPP attack.
Dude survived a Cell attack and a Buu attack.... pretty sure Mr Satan is in fact immortal.
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by JackyBoi99 » Wed May 07, 2014 9:52 am
It is clear that sometime in Satan's life, he acquired the dragon balls and called upon shenlong to grant him immortality.
It is clear that sometime in Mark Satan's life, he acquired the dragon balls and called upon shenlong to grant him immortality.
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by RocktheDragon » Wed May 07, 2014 10:01 am
JackyBoi99 wrote:It is clear that sometime in Satan's life, he acquired the dragon balls and called upon shenlong to grant him immortality.
If we ever get this story (from Toriyama or anyone else) I will blame you and your post for starting it.
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by JackyBoi99 » Wed May 07, 2014 10:46 am
You're welcome haha
It is clear that sometime in Mark Satan's life, he acquired the dragon balls and called upon shenlong to grant him immortality.
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by Blade » Wed May 07, 2014 10:54 am
Insertclevername wrote:Man, Dragon Ball Online was so awesome...
Remember when that was the manga continuity and everything wasn't revolving around Beerus? It's shame to see all that work put into that timeline be scrapped for something that's, at least I feel, is inferior.
The timeline that spanned the distance between the end of the Manga and Dragonball Online was pretty nice - but the events in the game itself were a little lame. The time-travel plot was basically just a convoluted way to do a re-telling of older Dragonball storylines that the player could be involved in. There was too much recycled content, too much regurgitation.
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by KentalSSJ6 » Wed May 07, 2014 11:06 am
RocktheDragon wrote:JackyBoi99 wrote:It is clear that sometime in Satan's life, he acquired the dragon balls and called upon shenlong to grant him immortality.
If we ever get this story (from Toriyama or anyone else) I will blame you and your post for starting it.
Well Mr. Satan does die in DBO's timeline, which prompts Freeza's army to invade Earth.
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by soulnova » Wed May 07, 2014 1:44 pm
For all its plot holes... DBO did feel consistent with a lot of the lore and had a distinct DB feel to it.
I wish they could still take some of those plots into the main story.
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by UltimateHammerBro » Wed May 07, 2014 1:56 pm
soulnova wrote:For all its plot holes... DBO did feel consistent with a lot of the lore and had a distinct DB feel to it.
I wish they could still take some of those plots into the main story.
If a remake of the anime ever came out, I'd love it to be kind of expanded, not with filler, but with sidestories and additional data (for example, giving us more information about Freeza's empire) like DBO, making a consistent story with no plotholes while still feeling like DB.
Remember the origin of the Majin race according to DBO? That's what I'm talking about.
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by JeffJarrett » Mon May 12, 2014 8:39 am
Those new tidbits introduce lots of new characters to the franchise: Satan's teacher, Gero's son, #17's wife, child, and two adopted children, etc.
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by The Monkey King » Mon May 12, 2014 12:10 pm
I'd like to know if Kid Trunks knows about Vegeta's past of commiting global genocide for who was essentially space Hitler, coming to Earth and trying to kill everyone and blow it up.
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon May 12, 2014 12:59 pm
Freeza is not "space Hitler".
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by The Monkey King » Mon May 12, 2014 1:57 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Freeza is not "space Hitler".
True. But I like the term, it's funny
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by SingleFringe&Sparks » Mon May 12, 2014 5:01 pm
soulnova wrote:For all its plot holes... DBO did feel consistent with a lot of the lore and had a distinct DB feel to it.
I wish they could still take some of those plots into the main story.
The Saiyan extinction should be its own arc to at least give Super-powered humans a chance to make a statement for themselves.
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by Insertclevername » Mon May 12, 2014 7:09 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Freeza is not "space Hitler".
I don't see how he's not. Obviously there are some disparities involving their methods of conquest but calling him "Hitler in Space" gets the idea across that he's an evil, tyrannical, ruler.
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon May 12, 2014 8:33 pm
Insertclevername wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:Freeza is not "space Hitler".
I don't see how he's not. Obviously there are some disparities involving their methods of conquest but calling him "Hitler in Space" gets the idea across that he's an evil, tyrannical, ruler.
"Evil tyrant" =/= Hitler. They're next to nothing alike, aside from stock villainous traits you'll find in EVERY "evil overlord" type.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Zephyr » Mon May 12, 2014 10:19 pm
Should Freeza's genocidal tendencies be brought up?
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by Insertclevername » Mon May 12, 2014 10:19 pm
Genocidal, racist rulers on a conquest. They're pretty similar.
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