Younger generation as main heroes in Super - for real

[Toonami97]

Remember when they tried to replace Optimus prime with Rodimus and Kinnikuman niesi? (Granted that was how I was introduced to Kinnikuman to begin with)

You just can't replace

[Dyno]

Actually we can, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime was a better protagonist, overall.

Axl is a better protagonist than X himself in Megaman X series...

[Mystic Tien]

It's about time they should. Goku should be seen as none other than the superhero who always saved the world but now he's handling the crown to someone else who'll be worthy of it.

Dragon Ball is becoming like Pokémon Mario and CoD franchises, and well, that's not exactly a good thing.

Goku is not a classical hero,. Goku is a selfish warrior, fighting puts above all... and this is good, classical good heros isn´t for Dragon ball

Goku gave up his life for the Earth, twice, he's the ultimate hero.

Tien gave up his life for the Earth, twice. He is the ultimate hero

[Metalwario64]

Actually we can, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime was a better protagonist, overall.

I agree with this. I can't believe so many people are STILL bitter about that 30 years later. I didn't disown Dragon Ball when Vegeta died, and I didn't yet know he was coming back, and he was my favorite character when I was a kid!

Axl is a better protagonist than X himself in Megaman X series...

I wouldn't know, because X7's horrible voice acting and gameplay killed the franchise for me.

[Dyno]

Well, there are Megaman X8 and Megaman X: Command Mission, try them. Both are incredible games. And Axl has his best voice actor.

[Akyon]

Goku gave up his life for the Earth, twice, he's the ultimate hero.

Tenshinhan gave up his life for the Earth, twice. He is the ultimate hero

Wait...but Krillin died four times if we count GT. Which we shouldn't because it appears to not count at this point, and the one on Namek wasn't directly for the Earth I guess...however the real canon ULTIMATE HERO ergo is

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Chiaotzu as of RoF as he has technically died four times for/on the Earth. Although RoF's one is an iffy count

He's the ultimate hero. Forget the kids, can we focus on this ultimate champion of the people?

[Retan]

I don't like any of gthe younger generation they just seem like wannabe's of the real main characters, but to each their own.

[Doctor.]

Goku gave up his life for the Earth, twice, he's the ultimate hero.

Tenshinhan gave up his life for the Earth, twice. He is the ultimate hero

Wait...but Krillin died four times if we count GT. Which we shouldn't because it appears to not count at this point, and the one on Namek wasn't directly for the Earth I guess...however the real canon ULTIMATE HERO ergo is

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Chiaotzu as of RoF as he has technically died four times for/on the Earth. Although RoF's one is an iffy count

He's the ultimate hero. Forget the kids, can we focus on this ultimate champion of the people?

Kuririn has actually died 6 times, if we're being specific here.

To Tambourine, to Freeza, to the androids in the future timeline, to Boo, to #17 in GT and

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to Freeza again in Resurrection F

[TheDevilsCorpse]

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to Freeza again in Resurrection F

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No he doesn't. Vegeta is the only one of the heroes on the battlefield that dies. Everyone else is with Whis.

[Akyon]

Wait...but Krillin died four times if we count GT. Which we shouldn't because it appears to not count at this point, and the one on Namek wasn't directly for the Earth I guess...however the real canon ULTIMATE HERO ergo is

Spoiler:

Chiaotzu as of RoF as he has technically died four times for/on the Earth. Although RoF's one is an iffy count

He's the ultimate hero. Forget the kids, can we focus on this ultimate champion of the people?

Kuririn has actually died 6 times, if we're being specific here.

To Tambourine, to Freeza, to the androids in the future timeline, to Boo, to #17 in GT and

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to Freeza again in Resurrection F

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Like TheDevilsCorpse previously said; Krillin is surprisingly one of the few who DOESN'T die by Frieza's hands a second time...if we're counting alternative time line deaths we'll have to add an additional death to Chiaoutzu too, which including GT currently puts them on par.

Poor guy; dies as many times as Krillin but without any of the character development, focus, importance or even victories.

In that case I nominate them both for the title of Ultimate Heroes(tm).

[ABED]

Kaioshin's plan was stupid though. Hell, what even was his plan? To allow Yamu and Spopovich to gather energy to revive Majin Buu and then track down Babidi? Well, that was great plan except it lead to Kibito being killed by Dabra and Piccolo and Krillin being turned into stone.

That's a legit plan. It's like letting a petty drug dealer deal so you can follow him back to his boss.

[DBZAOTA482]

Kaioshin's plan was stupid though. Hell, what even was his plan? To allow Yamu and Spopovich to gather energy to revive Majin Buu and then track down Babidi? Well, that was great plan except it lead to Kibito being killed by Dabra and Piccolo and Krillin being turned into stone.

That's a legit plan. It's like letting a petty drug dealer deal so you can follow him back to his boss.

Not if you can kill the drug dealer by blinking.

[Saiga]

Also, biggest problem with Kaioshin's plan is that it involved handing Babidi half the energy he needed to revive Boo. Especially since, in Kaioshin's mind, half power is enough for Boo to wipe them all out and full power is the lose condition.

That's pretty fucking dumb, and can't be compared to tailing a petty criminal. It's more like giving half the materials to build a nuclear bomb to a mole to try and prevent his leaders building it. You just wouldn't do such a thing.

[Eire]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kaioshin never suspected that they would obtain that much.

Not if you can kill the drug dealer by blinking.

But you must target it, unless you are wiling to nuke everything in radius of half galaxy.

[ABED]

I don't remember exactly, but Babidi's magic was a potent force against Kaioshin. Sure, Babidi couldn't best him in a physical fight but he's still dangerous, and he has bodyguards like Dabura under his control.

It's more like giving half the materials to build a nuclear bomb to a mole to try and prevent his leaders building it. You just wouldn't do such a thing.

That's still only half, what if you thought you could stop it before it was ever fully finished?

[DBZAOTA482]

Kaioshin (somehow) didn't think Babidi had Dabura under his control.

[ABED]

Kaioshin (somehow) didn't think Babidi had Dabura under his control.

How could he?

[DBZAOTA482]

Kaioshin (somehow) didn't think Babidi had Dabura under his control.

How could he?

He knew Dabura wasn't in hell for some time... soooo.....

[ABED]

I thought he was in some other dimension or world, not Hell. And it's a big universe, even in DB, so I don't think it's a clear jump from "I can't find him" to "he's under Babidi's control". You of course see the dots being connected because you've seen the series.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

It baffles me that folks don't realize how much character potential Uub has. I cannot think of anyone in a better position to reflect all of Goku's adulthood issues right back in face than the kid who will be the object of a lot of his time and lacks this "Oh Goku" filter by not having already known him for decades. Presuming Uub stays the warrior's course, there is an interesting symbiotic relationship waiting to happen there. This is not to say Uub is lead character material, but the way in which he is attached to Goku puts him a position to say and do things.

Axl is a better protagonist than X himself in Megaman X series...

That is a bit of stretch when Axl's entire character is about being the greenhorn. He was the second coming of X in his younger days in some ways, but he needed his war-weary superiors for that to really shine. Shame the series died, it really did go out on a mostly high note with those last three games.