900 Minutes of Uncut Action, DBZ Season 1 Arrives
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900 Minutes of Uncut Action, DBZ Season 1 Arrives
Still going thru it, but I thought I'd toss something up before I go and look for specific places that need screencaps.
Packaging is horrible, it's a digipak with a vertical sliding sleeve...and the disks sit on top of eachother 'shudders'
I leave you with this cap, with more to come later.
http://www.db-destiny.net/vlcsnap-2430373.png
Roshi has lost his top
edit- due to vlc glitching like crazy the rest of the screenshots I take for today will just be pg screencaps from WinDVD, mostly to show cropping, rather then video quality, I will try and fix VLC later to get more quality caps
Packaging is horrible, it's a digipak with a vertical sliding sleeve...and the disks sit on top of eachother 'shudders'
I leave you with this cap, with more to come later.
http://www.db-destiny.net/vlcsnap-2430373.png
Roshi has lost his top
edit- due to vlc glitching like crazy the rest of the screenshots I take for today will just be pg screencaps from WinDVD, mostly to show cropping, rather then video quality, I will try and fix VLC later to get more quality caps
Pease, please, please...and thank you!
These would be great. Also the now famous 4-way split-screen shot from the end of this episode. (This is all from episode 34, by the way).godofchaos wrote:I'll have my box within the hour, so anyone who has Dragonbox stuff and wants to work out matching screencaps will need to contact me pretty soon, otherwise ill just watch and cap random stuff.
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First basic thoughts...
Outside of the cropping, the video is VERY good, theres a few compression artifacts, but that is mostly because I'm LOOKING for flaws, the color depth and levels are very nice, color temperature might actually be a tad nicer then the dragonboxes, but the cropping really kills it, and just seeing the aspect ratio like that makes it look 'weird'.
Listening to the dub voices and japanese music is very very odd, I'm not sure I can watch the show like this frankly, I enjoy the dub and the original japanese, with the original japanese beating the dub, but i keep getting pulled out of the show because my ears for some reason cant 'adjust' to hearing stuff from both at the same time.
Outside of the cropping, the video is VERY good, theres a few compression artifacts, but that is mostly because I'm LOOKING for flaws, the color depth and levels are very nice, color temperature might actually be a tad nicer then the dragonboxes, but the cropping really kills it, and just seeing the aspect ratio like that makes it look 'weird'.
Listening to the dub voices and japanese music is very very odd, I'm not sure I can watch the show like this frankly, I enjoy the dub and the original japanese, with the original japanese beating the dub, but i keep getting pulled out of the show because my ears for some reason cant 'adjust' to hearing stuff from both at the same time.
Sorry, wasn't sure if you saw it or not.godofchaos wrote:...yeah...I'm not sure posting this in 2 different threads is necessary to make me notice
Also, if I may, I'll just dive right in...
By expanding the horizontal axis beyond the intended limit, they've now exposed what seems to be the edge of one of the layers of cel on the left (the faint line running vertically on the left hand side).
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For those that care, the corresponding UUE edition shot. (the added footage on the side is a joke. It's almost as if they added nothing....)
Ouch. They cropped waaay more of the picture than I thought would be cropped...
Ouch. They cropped waaay more of the picture than I thought would be cropped...
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Can you hurry up and post that 4 way screen as well as a few of the others DBW refers to? I am shattered and want to go to bed!godofchaos wrote:First basic thoughts...
Outside of the cropping, the video is VERY good, theres a few compression artifacts, but that is mostly because I'm LOOKING for flaws, the color depth and levels are very nice, color temperature might actually be a tad nicer then the dragonboxes, but the cropping really kills it, and just seeing the aspect ratio like that makes it look 'weird'.
Listening to the dub voices and japanese music is very very odd, I'm not sure I can watch the show like this frankly, I enjoy the dub and the original japanese, with the original japanese beating the dub, but i keep getting pulled out of the show because my ears for some reason cant 'adjust' to hearing stuff from both at the same time.
First off, fuck you.b_boult wrote: Can you hurry up and post that 4 way screen as well as a few of the others DBW refers to? I am shattered and want to go to bed!
Second off, I was about to post those shots but now I'm gonna wait an hour or 2 to be a dick since you can't even give me the proper time to make sure I got those frames correctly, since i was only provided with screencaps and not timecodes to go by I have to go frame by frame to make sure I get the right frame, and since its framed COMPLETELY different then the Dragonboxes, that makes it annoyingly hard to make sure I've matched it right.
back to our regularly scheduled post....
Colors seem to be different from the Dragonboxes in a few places, and theres still some noticeable dirt, grain, and glitches on the video that, if the remastering process is as 'zomg amazing' as we've been led to believe, probably shouldn't be there.
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Here is the corresponding Dragon Box shot from ep 34 or so...DBW wrote:Sorry, wasn't sure if you saw it or not.godofchaos wrote:...yeah...I'm not sure posting this in 2 different threads is necessary to make me notice
Also, if I may, I'll just dive right in...
By expanding the horizontal axis beyond the intended limit, they've now exposed what seems to be the edge of one of the layers of cel on the left (the faint line running vertically on the left hand side).
And the edge of the cel happens in even the dragon box episodes. All in all, the image quality doesn't look too bad. It remains to be seen if the cropping of it all is worth a damn.
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Personally, I like the colors much more on the funi remaster than the dragonbox. But the cropping is still pretty harsh according to the screen provided. Plus, less grain; at least, according to my eyes.
Despite that, as said above ,the cropping is waay more than I expected.
Despite that, as said above ,the cropping is waay more than I expected.
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few screencaps from episode 34, I will do the rest after I finish some work and eat.
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-0.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-1.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-2.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-3.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-4.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-5.jpg
the last 2 are capped from the same frame, when i play dvds off windvd I have the colors setup to display custom so they show up on my crt, but I forgot to change it back to the 'real' colors to cap, I will go back and recap the others later on tonight, but I did the last frame 'both' ways to show the difference between the 'true' dvd colors and what windvds processing was doing. (Not all the caps are from the list, one was just one I found interesting, but the cropping is VERY bad.) (4 is with the crt processing from windvd, 5 is without)
And no, I don't think I was overreacting, I don't need him telling me what to do.
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-0.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-1.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-2.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-3.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-4.jpg
http://www.db-destiny.net/DBZ_SEASON01_DISC5-5.jpg
the last 2 are capped from the same frame, when i play dvds off windvd I have the colors setup to display custom so they show up on my crt, but I forgot to change it back to the 'real' colors to cap, I will go back and recap the others later on tonight, but I did the last frame 'both' ways to show the difference between the 'true' dvd colors and what windvds processing was doing. (Not all the caps are from the list, one was just one I found interesting, but the cropping is VERY bad.) (4 is with the crt processing from windvd, 5 is without)
And no, I don't think I was overreacting, I don't need him telling me what to do.
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If we're going to compare screens, we should also look for high movement parts of the episodes to see the compression artifacts (the Cell Games last disc is infamous for this)... this way we'll know if they pulled off the proper eps / disc count or not.
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If its any help, you ought to make an AVISynth script to open the VOB files. That way you can be sure there is no extra image processing done on the image (or I think opening the files in VirtualDubMod would be the same thing)godofchaos wrote:(Not all the caps are from the list, one was just one I found interesting, but the cropping is VERY bad.) (4 is with the crt processing from windvd, 5 is without)
Thanks for the screen caps. Keep 'em coming At least we can compare the cropping issues (although you already think they're VERY bad... ugh!)
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Yeah, being rude and demanding is exactly the way to get what you wantb_boult wrote:Can you hurry up and post that 4 way screen as well as a few of the others DBW refers to? I am shattered and want to go to bed!
http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... rop5ke.jpg
This is a comparison of the three opening shots that were posted. Green is the UUE and red is the Dragon Box. It's interesting that for the opening at least, the old R1 version has more picture around each edge.
Here's a comparison of the shot where Oolong and Baba's faces get cut off:
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/1074 ... rop0wl.jpg
Thanks a lot for posting the screencaps!
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Another thing thats interesting.
While the show is anamophic widescreen, the menus are letterboxes widescreen, I know that some DVD players cough up shits and giggles when this is done because it doesnt properly reset inbetween playing the menu and the video, so anyone who has problems with that might have problems with the disks. (While the Shadow Chronicles DVD from Funi that I also got today is all anamorphic, so...who knows what Funi is doing)
While the show is anamophic widescreen, the menus are letterboxes widescreen, I know that some DVD players cough up shits and giggles when this is done because it doesnt properly reset inbetween playing the menu and the video, so anyone who has problems with that might have problems with the disks. (While the Shadow Chronicles DVD from Funi that I also got today is all anamorphic, so...who knows what Funi is doing)
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Interesting comparison:
We've always known the colors were different on FUNIs masters, but this is way off, even if you had WinDVD alter the colors just a bit for your display. Also, whats that ... dirt to the lower-right of Vegeta's foot on FUNIs version? Didn't they remaster it "frame-by-frame" ?!?!?!
We've always known the colors were different on FUNIs masters, but this is way off, even if you had WinDVD alter the colors just a bit for your display. Also, whats that ... dirt to the lower-right of Vegeta's foot on FUNIs version? Didn't they remaster it "frame-by-frame" ?!?!?!
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